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#507697 - 01/19/21 03:32 AM So this game makes no sense correct?
Krispyknees


Registered: 12/29/20
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Twice now I've accepted fights against a guy that has less than half of my stat for their chosen fighting style, I accepted and chose the same style bc why wouldn't I win? Each time I lost, a guy with like 20 bjj subbed my guy that had 60 this entire game sucks balls, how in the fuck does it even work? There's no sense of fundamental design that was thought out.

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#507698 - 01/19/21 03:41 AM Re: So this game makes no sense correct? [Re: Krispyknees]
SbrbnHstlr


Registered: 03/01/09
Posts: 237
Welcome to the forums!

You can link the fight in question snd I may be able to then provide more insight for you.

Going off the info you have provided;
Recruits have individual abilities that are assigned randomly when you recruit them. These include but are not limited to:
Submission Offence
Submission Defence

Knockout Offence.
Knockout Defence.


So even if you have a fighter who has a perfect build for the style but has bad submission defense, who faces a fighter with great offense it can negate the stats your fighter carries.
Again, i may be able to explain better if you link the fight in question.

Hope it helps, you made the right choice by asking about it on the forums. Theres a lot of information around here.
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#507699 - 01/19/21 03:53 AM Re: So this game makes no sense correct? [Re: SbrbnHstlr]
Trite



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There are hidden stats
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#507700 - 01/19/21 04:25 AM Re: So this game makes no sense correct? [Re: Trite]
ulithebison


Registered: 03/30/20
Posts: 403
Loc: Germany
Welcome to the forums.

First of all, it is very good that you have registered in the forum and asked a question. I can only recommend that you read the Game Tips on the game homepage.
http://www.mmarmy.com/tutorial.php
EDIT:
You can find it also here:
http://www.mmarmy.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=476725#Post476725


Unfortunately, it is not as simple as you imagine. wink
Like SbrbnHstlr and Trite already said: there different type hiddens.

Maybe your fighter has very good stats in JJ, but his Sub Offense (Hidden) is just not good enough to beat an opponent with good Sub Defense (Hidden). Therefore, your fighter may lose.
Here is a list of all Hiddens:
http://www.mmarmy.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=457100#Post457100

Looking at the big picture, this game is about the management and interaction of stat builds, style match ups, and hiddens.

Again, I encourage you to read the tutorial on the main page of the game.






Edited by ulithebison (01/19/21 04:36 AM)
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#507702 - 01/19/21 06:28 AM Re: So this game makes no sense correct? [Re: Krispyknees]
Smooth Jesus


Registered: 01/23/17
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Originally Posted By: Krispyknees
Twice now I've accepted fights against a guy that has less than half of my stat for their chosen fighting style, I accepted and chose the same style bc why wouldn't I win? Each time I lost, a guy with like 20 bjj subbed my guy that had 60 this entire game sucks balls, how in the fuck does it even work? There's no sense of fundamental design that was thought out.


You HAVE to meet this guy named Chubby. You will get along famously.
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#507704 - 01/19/21 08:45 AM Re: So this game makes no sense correct? [Re: SbrbnHstlr]
Krispyknees


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#507705 - 01/19/21 09:01 AM Re: So this game makes no sense correct? [Re: Krispyknees]
BlimBlapZing


Registered: 05/20/14
Posts: 5655
Your figher has better stats. However, winner of a fight is roughly these combined, each with their own percentage weight on the fight -
Stats
Fighter weight (equal in this case)
Hiddens (goes beyond KO and subs, even if everything else the same some fighters are better than others. Lot of people cut the worst fighters in their camps and build the same long term for this reason)
Finishing
Style interraction (same in this case but we don't know the secondary styles. Fighters can switch to secondary after a lost round)
Random (there is a random roll as a factor in fights too, this is so that same fighter/stat combos do not always return same results. Randomness is not a huge factor as there are fighters who are just beasts 99% of the time, but it is a factor)


Edited by BlimBlapZing (01/19/21 09:04 AM)
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#507706 - 01/19/21 09:03 AM Re: So this game makes no sense correct? [Re: Krispyknees]
Jarnoh



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Your guy is very light for a HW, which is a factor too.

Edit: Blim was faster.


Edited by Jarnoh (01/19/21 09:04 AM)
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#507707 - 01/19/21 09:18 AM Re: So this game makes no sense correct? [Re: Jarnoh]
Spidey


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Posts: 6134
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As many have already said,there are so many factors that go in to a fight outcome. Yes by looking at stats you should have won that fight there will be many more where you win and you shouldn't.Got to take the good and the bad. Just keep training your guys and learn the matchups. There are plenty of threads that go through the different hidden.
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#507710 - 01/19/21 10:03 AM Re: So this game makes no sense correct? [Re: Spidey]
Blackbeard


Registered: 01/17/21
Posts: 8
Loc: Florida
I can no longer see other fighters stats. Also my equipment has nothing in it. Any ideas why these things have gone away? I already stink in this game and taking those few things makes it even worse...

Going along like I have been on and off for the past 11 years isn't going to even out or improve my horrible 3310-4328 record. lol Any ideas?

With the equipment being gone makes money be worthless in reality. thanks.
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#507711 - 01/19/21 10:20 AM Re: So this game makes no sense correct? [Re: Blackbeard]
BlimBlapZing


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Change your stat style setting should resolve the stat display issue after the first change. Screenshot on how to do it is here -

http://www.mmarmy.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=507349&page=1


Equipment is still there and a factor, just a one time display bug.
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#507712 - 01/19/21 10:21 AM Re: So this game makes no sense correct? [Re: BlimBlapZing]
BlimBlapZing


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On overall record improvement,

Looks like you've joined GC, they can probably help you a lot. Learn about weight cutting, cut fighters who get finished a lot in their first few, make sure builds are right and keep style advantages in mind are big starting points.
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Running with Scissors
http://www.mmarmy.com/camp_display_roster.php?id=103516

Bone Machine
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#507713 - 01/19/21 10:25 AM Re: So this game makes no sense correct? [Re: Krispyknees]
Trite



Registered: 03/27/09
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Originally Posted By: Krispyknees
http://www.mmarmy.com/showfight.php?fight=7910791


Which camp is yours? You fought the same guy twice and the results were different. Just want to make sure we are all seeing it correctly
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#507720 - 01/19/21 12:48 PM Re: So this game makes no sense correct? [Re: Trite]
Olir



Registered: 04/20/10
Posts: 693
I agree it kinda sucks there is very little help with build in the game or even on the forums.

Yet clues have been given out over the years that alliances have hoarded into their private forums, and they use to their advantage. They've also done a lot of research themselves having played the game for years too before someone jumps me.

Not everyone wants to join an alliance so you're at a real disadvantage. The clues that have been given out should be public and there should be a little more help in game.

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#507721 - 01/19/21 02:49 PM Re: So this game makes no sense correct? [Re: Olir]
Turbo



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Originally Posted By: Olir
I agree it kinda sucks there is very little help with build in the game or even on the forums.

Yet clues have been given out over the years that alliances have hoarded into their private forums, and they use to their advantage. They've also done a lot of research themselves having played the game for years too before someone jumps me.

Not everyone wants to join an alliance so you're at a real disadvantage. The clues that have been given out should be public and there should be a little more help in game.


There always people willing to help new players in fact this game has more playing willing to help than most.
Don't get why anyone would not want to be a part of an alliance yes each alliance have their quirks but mainly they are friendly helpful people.
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#507733 - 01/20/21 12:03 AM Re: So this game makes no sense correct? [Re: Turbo]
Trite



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Part of the intrigue is literally the unknown aspects of the game and people openly discuss builds and whatnot. You can literally look at what other coaches train up and what they do not. Not sure I understand the view point you have there Olir, seems like it is intentional tho.
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#507772 - 01/21/21 04:50 AM Re: So this game makes no sense correct? [Re: Olir]
Picograms95


Registered: 01/20/20
Posts: 209
Loc: Germany
Originally Posted By: Olir
hoarded into their private forums


you only need to go through the HoF and get an idea of a style. It's not 100% accurate, but nothing here is. We are all speculating

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#507778 - 01/21/21 09:41 AM Re: So this game makes no sense correct? [Re: Blackbeard]
Blackbeard


Registered: 01/17/21
Posts: 8
Loc: Florida
I received help on the not seeing stats in another thread.

I'll look around on the forum for tips and stuff like that. thanks again...
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