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#512563 - 01/12/22 11:42 AM Re: Politics, Paranormal, Points of View, Ponderings. [Re: Trite]
BlimBlapZing


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No idea on the darpa thing, haven't read it or heard of it. One man or one organizations opinion don't invalidate data though.

Why would the CDC director admit to 75% of fatalities are from people with four or more comorbidities during an interview? Sounds like a misspeak, that figure is from the 36 vaccinated fatalities. But you keep ignoring this clarication. There is solid data to back this up and NO data to back up 75% overall. So it would be nonsensical to state otherwise.

Why would the CEO of Pfizer make a statement that they're MAY be some protection with this new varient and maybe some with booster and why is Pfizer having the video taken down everywhere? Shots are specific to strains...right?
Because research is ongoing. Making the statement that an additional booster is effective without testing to back this up is irresponsible. As far as them getting removed, covid misinformation is rampant (see your question 1 above) I would imagine automods remove a ton of stuff in general. No platform wants to get sued because someone posts trumps recipe for curing covid by injecting bleach and someone dies.
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#512564 - 01/12/22 12:37 PM Re: Politics, Paranormal, Points of View, Ponderings. [Re: BlimBlapZing]
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btw trite, as usual you failed to post the link to back up any of your claims XD

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#512565 - 01/12/22 01:54 PM Re: Politics, Paranormal, Points of View, Ponderings. [Re: Matty]
Trite



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Matty you forgot to read I am working and on my phone and not my laptop. Not sure how this information is out there and the data can be sourced you lazy fuck.

Blim...with the impossible task of noting every person who comes in for every reason every percentage can only be based on trends and extrapolations. It is nonsensical to believe any statistical point at any time...as people lie and make up things to fit narratives all the time. Dependong on variables and what you are looking for, numbers can be scewed any way. We all know that.

Think you should read the Darpa report and be concerned why the branch of the US Military that oversees all sorts of weapons would refuse gain of function research and then claim Fauci accepted and went through with it on American Soil. Obama approved that grant...Also...why Dr Fauci is continuing to claim otherwise.

Pfizer would be mpre apt to claim ongoong research and not just retract the video from the CEO going against what their marketing department has been claiming.

Sorry guys...what part of India has defeated Covid and why did Joe Biden ask them not to disclose how they did it? If they currently have it under control...why not share it with the rest of the world?


Also...not sure of touched on...why did Pfizer want to hide the data for 75 years?
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#512566 - 01/12/22 02:20 PM Re: Politics, Paranormal, Points of View, Ponderings. [Re: Trite]
BlimBlapZing


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No sources no clue on what you're talking about on India, darpa, etc, that shit could be entirely made up.

Data tracking has been going on from multiple organizations from multiple countries. It is insane to think that all of that data gathering is wrong or fabricated in the same ways. Experiments and trials for medications have been going on for years now, there are too many countries, organizations, and labs for this shit to be fake, for the scientific consensus to be incorrect.

There isn't enough money in the world to make that happen, claiming so makes you sound like a child with no understanding of science, logistics, or politics. Sad thing is millions of americans are at exactly that level and buy this shit based on claims alone, then people die from it.

Keep on pushing, what do you think your body count is at? most antivax information sharers have one. Is this your year to get it into the double digits?

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If it were incorrect these actors who make statments would be providing data for peer review. This is not happening, and believe me conservative think tanks have been trying. I can provide the data, but you can't provide any sources to back up your claims. And Data is just about the only means of refuting other data, anything else is talking heads with an agenda.

If your news is opposed to science and data gathering, ie actual measurents of reality, chances are 99.9% it is fake. I'll bet you a billion dollars we don't see mass deaths from covid vaccinations in the next year. You said a couple of years from the first vax we'll start keeling over, right?

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#512567 - 01/12/22 02:45 PM Re: Politics, Paranormal, Points of View, Ponderings. [Re: BlimBlapZing]
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Here is another reason I like data. The Mypillow guy came out saying he has enough evidence to put "300 million Americans in jail for election fraud". Makes you made doesn't it? They stole the election. But let's check the data.

That's more than the entire adult population of America. That's a real ridiculous statement in that context. Why wouldn't that many people vote? That's more than voted for Trump and Biden combined. Sounds ridiculous when you consider the scope he is talking about vs reality.

Your statements almost all have this same sort of disparity in the other direction. Some guy who works for Pfiser or the military says something so you claim it invalidates things like studies with a sample size of 1 million. Or claiming that covid hasn't been synthesized when this was based on a social media made video that purposefully misrepresents a CDC report -
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-cdc-idUSKBN27633R

Statements from people get emotional reactions to things. That's enough when you want political action. If your news is pushing emotional reactions they are most likely propagandizing for an agenda. But science and data remain the closest thing we have in this world to truth. Not even close to perfect, am sure lots of things I claim here will be proven wrong in time, but they are the best we have.


But who am I kidding? You get called out and ignore it or say you didn't read it then keep posting the same things. Am I wasting my time? Tried man, I tried, I'm sorry you're following the stupid news. I'm sorry I couldn't save you from it.
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#512569 - 01/12/22 10:50 PM Re: Politics, Paranormal, Points of View, Ponderings. [Re: BlimBlapZing]
Trite



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Lol @ Mypillowguy. The Hardcore Trumplicans love the guy.


Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). The number of deaths that mention one or more of the conditions indicated is shown for all deaths involving COVID-19 and by age groups. For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4.0 additional conditions or causes per death. For data on deaths involving COVID-19 by time-period, jurisdiction, and other health conditions,

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
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#512570 - 01/12/22 11:48 PM Re: Politics, Paranormal, Points of View, Ponderings. [Re: Trite]
Matty


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Originally Posted By: Trite
Matty you forgot to read I am working and on my phone and not my laptop. Not sure how this information is out there and the data can be sourced you lazy fuck.

Blim...with the impossible task of noting every person who comes in for every reason every percentage can only be based on trends and extrapolations. It is nonsensical to believe any statistical point at any time...as people lie and make up things to fit narratives all the time. Dependong on variables and what you are looking for, numbers can be scewed any way. We all know that.

Think you should read the Darpa report and be concerned why the branch of the US Military that oversees all sorts of weapons would refuse gain of function research and then claim Fauci accepted and went through with it on American Soil. Obama approved that grant...Also...why Dr Fauci is continuing to claim otherwise.

Pfizer would be mpre apt to claim ongoong research and not just retract the video from the CEO going against what their marketing department has been claiming.

Sorry guys...what part of India has defeated Covid and why did Joe Biden ask them not to disclose how they did it? If they currently have it under control...why not share it with the rest of the world?


Also...not sure of touched on...why did Pfizer want to hide the data for 75 years?


Where did you see India is free of covid? As much as im dubious about testing numbers, they posted nearly a quarter of a million new cases yesterday, so unsure how theyve defeated it??

Also Blim seems to have answered most, if not all of your points, while youve dodged anything in reply, aswell as not posting things to back up previous things you said you have links for, why is this?
Embarrassed by the legitimacy of your sources I imagine

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#512573 - 01/14/22 10:23 AM Re: Politics, Paranormal, Points of View, Ponderings. [Re: Matty]
Olir



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Lol India free of Covid. I work with colleagues all over India, it's not free of Covid.

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#512575 - 01/14/22 01:46 PM Re: Politics, Paranormal, Points of View, Ponderings. [Re: Olir]
BlimBlapZing


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Thing about the comorbidity data, this is an extention of something Trump pushed for a while, that only a small percentage of people die from Covid itsself. When they say "on average, there were 4.0 additional conditions or causes per death" This does not exclude COVID-19, but combines it with other illnesses, often triggered by the new coronavirus itself.

Someone with pneumonia and Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) as causes of death, with diabetes and hypertension as contributing factors would have 4 comorbidities. There is still data from many countries, research groups, and hospitals all maintaining massive reductions in serious illness and hospitalization from covid among vaccinated individauls vs unvaccinated, I can provide more links if you wish.

CDC should update the summary of their weekly data, there are studies which contradict the weekly summary as stated regarding 4 commorbidities and indicate that this only applies to vaccinated individuals, such as this study with a sample size of 1.2 million -
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7101a4.htm?s_cid=mm7101a4_e&ACSTrackingID=USCDC_921-DM72953&ACSTrackingLabel=This%20Week%20in%20MMWR%20-%20Vol.%2071,%20January%207,%202022&deliveryName=USCDC_921-DM72953


Asked a biologist source about it as the summary is being used by conservative media to push the "you're fine if healthy and unvaxxed" narrative hard. CDC isn't perfect, data isn't perfect and will surely be updated and clarified as time goes on and more observations are recorded. It's just the best we have, and the best chance for a positive outcome.
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#512576 - 01/14/22 02:01 PM Re: Politics, Paranormal, Points of View, Ponderings. [Re: BlimBlapZing]
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After further review with people who know way more about biology than me, the full dataset indicates that the 4 comorbidities is ONLY among vaccinated individuals, the weekly summary does not include that data point, but it exists if you pull up the data.

The CDC director quote was out of context, just showing part of what they said in the full quote. If you pull up the full quote they confirm this is just among the vaccinated. The fact that you indicated the cdc director says otherwise says a lot about your skepticism of sources.

Bad summary on that page which is being taken as "if you're healthy you're fine" by a lot of unfortunate people.
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