I know people say changes are coming in a few days, but I think it might be too little too late. I always end up fighting someone from the same 3-4 camps and I feel like the game is made up of maybe 10-15 different camps total with the rest just being the secondary camps of those same 10-15.

There isn't even half the amount of players that were here 2 months ago and I feel like there's less and less people playing everyday. Even the people from the main camps that used to never miss fights sometimes don't fight at all. There's also a big problem when it comes to getting fights regardless of the org. A lot of the time people won't accept 50 / 50 fights and the end result is that nobody ends up fighting at all.

I'm losing motivation to play. I get to the EFC, fight the same 3-4 camps ad nauseum and that's pretty much that. Rock scissors paper against the same guy you've fought 7 times already. Yawn.

Where have all the players went? Remember when shitloads of people used to always be on come 8pm to get there fights in? Now it's a barren wasteland. Maybe 3 people in the division at most. Seems like most people for some reason or another just don't care anymore.

I'm actually gulty of not fighting all of my fighters as much as I should have(30% sometimes every two months). If a good portion of the MMArmy veterans leave that just more power to the newer players/camps. I am not worried.

I think there are simply less feeder camps and more people downsizing. But people have been leaving as well. Part of it is that spring break had a bunch of people playing a lot.

At the same time, the forum community is growing because of the GPs and the upcoming upgrades so thats good.

I feel that better days are coming.

Yeah maybe People are Downsizing there Camp cause it seems we have Lots of People Joining the GP's and Mkick is looking for a way to Advertise the Game again....Im not worried

Hopefully there'll be an upswing when the game is advertised again. I remember just logging in around an hour before the afternoon reset, playing the majority of guys for both my teams and then staying for a little after the reset and playing for the majority of my guys again. And that was without having to make a challenge.

But right now I'm having fun with Kumite.

Imo advertise on MMAnews.com > Sherdog xD

what camps are those?

Expect traffic to pick up over the course of the next month.

After the release of the upgrade we are going to be making an aggressive push to get new players.

The game mechanics, however, will stay pretty similar to the current set up (barring a fun addition... more on that later). It's important to remember that the game is still in its infancy as it has only been around for 3 months. It will constantly grow, and part of that will be the loss of most of the original players. That sucks, but it's the nature of online games.

Early on we pushed hard to get players. Lately, we backed off so that we could make adjustments to prepare for a larger group. Should be good times ahead.

Maybe if all your guys weren't such studs, they wouldn't be at the top, fighting the same guys all the time.

The noobs hang out in the small orgs. You're so good that you don't notice them. I blame you.

there is a bit of a point hidden in there. The lower orgs seem to have plenty of guys. Other than the UFL and GLORY's LHW division, its not bad. But overall I believe there are fewer camps. As far as players, Im not sold either way.

Definitely agree with advertising on MMAnews.com. Thats where I heard of it. I'm hardly on there anymore.
I don't think its dying though. Many people will try playing and lose interest. Its not for everyone.

I am worried though that when a new wave of players come through, they will lose interest quickly due to being outclassed by the veterans
I have posted an idea about beginner leagues and wash up leagues. I hope that something along those lines a in the workings for the sake of a new generation being able to go after lower belts without having to try to pry them from the hands of a guy with 50-100 fights.

Hopefully, the next wave will have a few more orgs. Glory was a nice jump from the Delirium, Elite XC and A1. Now those orgs are top heavy, it would be good to get a couple of orgs in between them and Glory & the EFC.

I think you hit the nail on the head.

There seems to be a lot of guys playing, but they're afraid to leave the 1.5 star org zone for some reason.

I've seen guys in Logo that my EFC guys would have trouble with.

I hear ya on the worry on the new guys getting blasted by vets; But remember, there will be plenty of new guys to take on. Vets will be obvious and new guys will learn how to avoid them by camp name.

I believe that as veterans its also in the games best interest if we dont take fights with obvious noobs if we have other options. If nothing else, after we cream them with our GnP over their FS... we tell them why they lost.

If nothing else, most vets will have their guys at high levels. New guys will be down below.

I know most vets will be cool. But look at all the lower belts. A vast majority of them are held by guys with way too much experience.
I can totally see that some guys can't hang in higher orgs, but most of these guys could do pretty good in higher orgs. Thats why I think fight limits should be imposed for certain orgs that have belts. So newer guys can fight for them without old losers hanging on to them.

yeah, but youre never going to be able to fix that. Unless MKick implements a rank/pop deficit for those yahoos at the low levels, that will always be there.

Perhaps remove the ranking boost for champions?

that may do it... but young players should get the boost. So thats the problemo there.

why take out the Boost?

that may do it... but young players should get the boost. So thats the problemo there.[/quote]

Perhaps a ranking boost based on what org you are in? This would encourage players to keep moving on. Thoughts?

With the update the champ is already guarenteed to be in the top 10, and will continue to fight top 10. That means their ranking will already be pretty high.

I suppose im trying to get to the root of why a veteran camp would hang on to the belt. I guess it's just really shiny...

I agree. Make the belts less shiny.

But, really, making the boost dependent on the org would make sense, I think. A slight boost is fine but if its too big we see what happens.

that may do it... but young players should get the boost. So thats the problemo there.[/quote]

Perhaps a ranking boost based on what org you are in? This would encourage players to keep moving on. Thoughts?[/quote]

Well, right now there just not enough people moving up to the EFC. I mean seriously, theres like 5 camps who dominate it. I know other people out there are more than capable. It just gets boring when nobody else tries to get their fighters to the top. Getting all "good" equipment can be easily done in 1-2 months of play and thats what I have with the exception of 2 "excellent" pieces. Other camps out there are more than capable of having top success, they just need to be willing to move up their fighters. Nobody cares about your collection of tin foil.

that may do it... but young players should get the boost. So thats the problemo there.[/quote]

Perhaps a ranking boost based on what org you are in? This would encourage players to keep moving on. Thoughts?[/quote]

Well, right now there just not enough people moving up to the EFC. I mean seriously, theres like 5 camps who dominate it. I know other people out there are more than capable. It just gets boring when nobody else tries to get their fighters to the top. Getting all "good" equipment can be easily done in 1-2 months of play and thats what I have with the exception of 2 "excellent" pieces. Other camps out there are more than capable of having top success, they just need to be willing to move up their fighters. Nobody cares about your collection of tin foil.[/quote]

Well something is keeping them from moving up to the next level. My suspicion was that it might be the joy and pride of having a belt. What do you think the reasoning they stay in the lower orgs is? I'd really like some insight on the issue...

that may do it... but young players should get the boost. So thats the problemo there.[/quote]

Perhaps a ranking boost based on what org you are in? This would encourage players to keep moving on. Thoughts?[/quote]

Well, right now there just not enough people moving up to the EFC. I mean seriously, theres like 5 camps who dominate it. I know other people out there are more than capable. It just gets boring when nobody else tries to get their fighters to the top. Getting all "good" equipment can be easily done in 1-2 months of play and thats what I have with the exception of 2 "excellent" pieces. Other camps out there are more than capable of having top success, they just need to be willing to move up their fighters. Nobody cares about your collection of tin foil.[/quote]

Well something is keeping them from moving up to the next level. My suspicion was that it might be the joy and pride of having a belt. What do you think the reasoning they stay in the lower orgs is? I'd really like some insight on the issue...[/quote]

I duno, the lower orgs generally are full of champs who fight cans and duck anyone who is a challenge. I'll sometimes snag a lower org belt, but only if it is on my way to the top. I move to the EFC because those are the only belts I care about. You have to beat top competition to get them and you can't just dodge and crush noobs all day to maintain them either.

The other reason I move up is because I want as much money as I can get to make my camp the best possible. The problem is, 5 mil equipment takes a ridiculous amount of time to get and isn't really much different from good equipment. I think a lot of people just don't see much of a reason to get it and are content with sitting in the lower orgs and crushing noobs all day.

Money should one of the ultimate motivations to move up, but right now there's just not enough cool stuff to spend it on.

If the game is dying consider me the guy that saves the day in the end of the movie!

I agree with Trillione's assessment. I don't have any guys at EFC level yet but when I check out EFC guys, their stats are similar or equal to what I see in fighters in lower orgs. These veteran fighters simply choose to fight at lower orgs to be the big fish in their small ponds. It seems like popularity, ranking, and money aren't their concerns. You cannot urge these players to move up by lowering their rank or pop.

If we get new players, they will obviously run into all these veteran fighters at the lower orgs who will utterly crush them. Most new camps that I check out have 1-5 wins and 10-20+ losses. They don't know any better and stand no chance.

On top of this, help needs to be more readily available. The link to the walk-through is on the front page, but it's relatively obscure. There are few game guides to help new players learn the mechanics of the game and forcing newbies to scan through pages of forum discussions is definitely not fun for them. Many of the posters in the forum would prefer to keep their secrets so they have an advantage and can beat up on noobs. This again refers back to the big fish in small pond example.

The old veterans using their knowledge and experience to crush noobs is nothing new as this happens in every game. However, most games provide a safe haven for noobs to develop before the vets can get to them. Take WoW for example, noobs start out in a safe starting area that gives them experience and training while veterans cannot touch them. As it is right now, noobs are massacred right out of the gate.

Good insight. Thank you.

I think the bolded part hits the nail on the head. We need more cool stuff to spend money on. Right now, the people that move up are primarily driven by wanting to be the best. Money is a bonus.

Most people want to have a concrete reason to excel other than pride. Perhaps make the camp home page like a Myspace. People love Myspace and you've already got the comments down. Just add buyable backgrounds, the ability to manipulate where stuff is, and an "Affiliates" or friend's list.

a lot of guys stay in lower orgs to because its not as much paper rock scissors, your FS subs guy can survive in the lower orgs with just great BJJ. In EFC almost every single fight is a style fight, who picks right wins cause all the stats are jacked.

also like myself I have a 237lb HW and a 140 LW they have really good stats and I will never put them any higher than 1.5 orgs because with the weight thing they have no chance in higher orgs so I settle them there for their entire career.

Its sad, but people really do take pride in holding onto their SHAATO belt with their old ass fighter.
I'm not sure why, but thats how it is.
I don't think that there should need to be limits on fights in some lower orgs, but that pretty much seems like thats how it is. Just like there shouldn't have to be measures taken against HW's fighting LW's. But it came to that, and I agree with it.
But I think newer players fighting for belts is more important than LW's getting beat up by HW's.

I've definitely noticed fewer players...came here to check out why. Belt holding seems to be a problem.

What if we split it up into amateur and pro? Every new recruit can start out as amateur, and we have a couple of orgs for amateur fights. Then when you think your fighter is ready to turn pro, you can click like a 'Turn Pro' button, and there's no going back. That way, most people will want to see the limit on how great their fighter can be, so will turn pro and go as far as possible. Then after guys realize their veteran fighters can't win the upper echelon belts, they won't be able to just move them down and beat up new fighters with no experience.

Me Likey this Idea

I think it would be a good idea to put some sort of cap or limit on the number of fights you can stay in certain orgs... maybe 20 fights in all the .75 and 1 star promotions... 25 fights in the 1.5 orgs... etc etc etc...

In the highest orgs you still have a limit, but maybe every win grants you an extra two fight extension... essentially you earn your way at the highest levels... If you somehow use up all your fights at the lower levels... and can't get your popularity high enough to continue on to the higher levels? Well... I mean... sounds like a sparring partner/retiree to me. I guess that could get complicated though.

I would also suggest bonuses for Subs and TKO/KO's in the higher levels... increasing the potential earnings... and hopefully there will be more cool stuff to buy with the update...

I don't see how you can have an amatuer league because amatuers don't get paid. Thats not going to help new camps. I do like mirroring the athletic commisions of now. You see them frown on throwing boots camps against veteran fighters. I remember reading an article about how they(NSAC) didn't want Vernon White to fight because he had to many career loses.

Perhaps amatuers are not fighting for money... maybe they are fighting for extra sparring points. Win a fight +1 sparring point... KO or Submit him? +2 sparring points.

Limit the number of amatuer fights a fighter can take... and I think you would create a pretty neat way to train guys up faster... (perhaps the sparring points have to be used with the guy you beat? That is you have to train against the guy you beat... that would add a pretty interesting dynamic... especially if you don't have anybody skilled in an a certain area of need in your camp... you could essetially create camp alliances. "I'll fight this rookie against your rookie with all the brawling, and your boxing rook can fight my guy with the 2.5 stars of power... )

I don't know... maybe not.

plus hes a crack head. I interviewed the guy about a year back. He had his "soon to be wife" with him. Seemed more like a hoe. He kept looking at her when she'd talk... and she'd trail off. Bitch was crazy too. Weighed about 90 lbs, around 5'10.

Poor Vernon.

I agree with fight caps in certain orgs. It would basically work out as Amateur, Pro, and Wash Up leagues. Though maybe not with the names. (It would just go without saying with the rules imposed).

Amateur should have a couple of belts for the better couple of leagues, and have a maximum number of fights. Pro should all have belts, no minimum or maximum fights. Wash Ups should have belts in all leagues, and a minimum amount of fights. They would always have the possibility of going on a tear and getting back into the Pro's.

That, or screw the Wash Up leagues, and just have them deal with the Pro's, which would kind of reshape the higher orgs. But I kind of think there should be a regrouping spot for the older guys.

How to stop the apathy? No clue. I rarely fight any of my guys anymore because no one will fight me unless it's one of the few dudes on here I know or regularly fight (or used to). The lower orgs are filled with experienced guys and today I had my guy with 8 fights battle someone with 140. I guess that guy can pump out his chest and jack off in the mirror over his split decision win but many people are correct in saying these lower orgs are stacked with talented dudes.

As for being motivated to get EFC belts? Why? All of the good players already have a shit load of belts; including EFC belts.

I don't have any advice to offer other than accepting this game has a shelf life. Maybe 3 months is pretty much it? I do believe I was much more interested with my original guys and the rock, paper scissors part of todays game, coupled with ducking, is just taking it's toll. Your PL and PG. I'm FF and GnP. Lets see who guesses correctly.

I will say MKick has done a stellar job and is making the effort to create an evolving, more enjoyable game. Kudos to him. Maybe the change over this weekend will be cool? Goodluck to those who stick around and find out.

This game isn't dying, its getting better. Not everybody shot to the top right away.
I can tell from these forums that there are some up and coming camps (including me), but many others as well. And many others don't even hit the forums.
Just like some beginners will try it and not like it, some veterans will get too good, too fast and get tired of it. It'll happen.
But a solid core will remain.

Yeah I don't know, I don't think you can really put caps on promotions.

Although, I did kind of like the myspace idea. Like, not full blown myspace pages and shit. But it just made me think, like a while ago somebody made the suggestion of being able to make small banners or whatever to upload to your camps homepage. I think being able to buy things like that for you camp would not only be pretty cool, but it'd motivate people to want to make as much money as they could, which should hopefully facilitate people moving their fighters up instead of choosing to stay in lower promotions for a long time. If you make things like that affordable enough to not seem too out of people's grasp, but expensive enough that they have to work for it, then I think it'd be a good motivator.

Also, it's kind of naff when you buy items at the store for your fighters and when they retire they lose everything they were wearing. That's kind of discouraging as far as wanting to make/save a lot of money to buy items right now I think, because you spend a lot of money buying them but they just disappear anyway so it's like... why bother? You know. It'd be nice if when our fighters retired, we kept their stuff. That way it'd also motivate us to want to keep buying the inventory upgrades, too. Which I get the feeling a lot of people aren't bothering with much.

Im relatevly new to this game. (Play from Mar 29) I stay at orgs such as WVA , Cages and so on, because before I move on I whant to win a belt at least once to prove that im ready to move up. Plus because of some strog vets. in lower orgs theres allways a chalange.
PS : Sorry for my English. Its my third language

I think the should make. Super low orgs like Fighter Genesis into rookie places.

Add a belt to one of the three, make the other two have more money. 25 Game months then you're out. I made months cause some dude could sit out.

I have no belts, so I am not belt whoring but I do have guys with 50-75 fights is low orgs. I move my guys up as much as I can, but I can't seem to get anyone past Delirium anymore (had a some Glory/EFC guys). Most of them get stuck in the middle orgs. I currently have 2 of 14 that are in Delerium, a bunch in Pankrash, Socat, Strikefest, & MFO. A few are in random lower orgs. Some of the lower org guys are of course still coming up, but a few have been higher and went on bad streaks that push them back down to the lower orgs.

Some of the problem is that I suck, obviously. Some of the problem might be that I take a lot of disadvantaged fights. I'll pretty much take any fight that I consider a reasonable challenge (someone who is close in rank and pop). I'm also pretty impatient. I don't have 2 hours a day to hand pick fights for 14 guys that suit their style perfectly (though those types of fights tend to get declined, takes even longer). Maybe I also hang on to too many shitty fighters that should be retired. I dunno.

This is one of my guys that has been up and down in the middle to low orgs for 5 years. I don't know if he just sucks or if I am putting him in terrible fights or what. I realize that he is one dimensional, but he was training up boxing with another fighter for a while and I discovered he's not great at sparring.
http://www.mmarmy.com/fighter_display.php?id=91483
http://www.mmarmy.com/fighter_record.php?id=91483

Excellent analysis. I think this is key.

This is so fucking stupid. I'm sitting here in the EFC, three of my fighters in the MW division with 3 challenges out each and nobody is accepting. It's 50/50 matches too. This is the reason this game is starting to suck. People only accept matches where they think they have a sure win. There's gotta be some give and take here for things to work. I'm offering you a 50/50 match. It's a toss up. I'd rather fight and have a 50% shot of winning than not fight at all. Just accept the fight. No, some flying subs guy isn't going to challenge your GNP guy at EFC level. People are in there because they aren't fucking retarded.

No wonder nobody goes to the top orgs. Impossible to get a fucking fight. I'm out for the night, not gonna waste my time with this shit.

Agreed dude.

Seriously this update is going change alot of stuff via the addition of stuff and stuff. Meaning, people are going to change and have to if they wanna figure stuff out...

i doubt the update will be too crazy.

There is one thing that will change game mechanics in a pretty big way...

... I think I'll go announce it now.

Can we capture wounded enemy fighters in a small red and white capsule and use them in future battles?

PLEASE!!!

Secondary style?!! :shock:

Why can't it be Monday?

OMFG Now Im excited...BUT!!! will there be Hidden stats that would help to be Successful activating the 2nd Style????

and will there be a Battle of 2nd style? Like if the Other Fighter goes to 2nd style getting more Advantage will the Other Fighter "COULD" Activate his Backup too?

Secondary style!

Now I have to change some of my single minded guys. Will the secondary style only kick in if you're at a disadvantage? Like if I choose GnP and Sio and my opponent choose PG and something else it won't magically match my secondary with PG to screw me over?

Finally my freestyle guys will return back on top! :twisted:

This is awesome news

I assume ability to switch styles will now be a very important hidden stat.

What about if my style 1 beats his style 1, but his style 2 beats my style 1, but my style 2 beats his style 2, but his style 1 beats my style 2, and our styles can go in a circle. Will it just be like having an MMArtist match?

This and more stuff because I know there is more stuff along with Kimo jesus tattoo's and Brock Lesnar's penis sword and a prison tear tattoo... wait what was I talking about? Yeah, stuff! We will get so much new stuff to ponder and poke at! Everyone might start a new camp for experimental purposes.

To answer some questions...

Yes, there are some hidden elements to this.

Once a fighter switches to his secondary style he will not switch back to the original. The way I see it, if he's fucked both ways he's still fucked. This also to avoid the really annoying back and forth style swapping.

This will not activate if your style is advantageous.

The chance of activation increases as the skill difference increases.

can you Do it tomorrow instead of MONDAY?

Its worth a try Asking LOL!!!

The waiting is the hardest part.

Thanks for the answers MKick. It should be fun trying out the new stuff.

Gladly

Can't wait till more players come. Way too many people avoid challenges now.

bump

game seems to be picking back up, ive said to blim recently, if we get past that coding issue in the summer, we should all go big on pushing the game and getting people playing, whether new or old players

Yeah for sure. Just thought it was funny ppl been claiming game is dead since 08

It would be great if it is picking up though I think when they say the game is dead and dead since 08 is in 08 my worst ranked fighter was 23385 were as now the worst ranked is 1738

I mean lots of coaches have come back recently too, right?


There's a reason this game has been around for 16 years lol

My post was comparing then to now so when drink said people been saying it is dead since 2008 based on the number of fighters then and now it is

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Who runs this game?

My camp is ass why do all my guys have to start in the PFO?

Ever thought about cutting BW and FW? Slot in another promotion or two?



I've seen this game alot worse,logging in and never finding a fight, now I log in I got all my guys trained and fought in no time. Its good. You don't promote it much, if at all, I've searched the internet, not alot about this game. Facebook page wouldn't hurt, get on X. Hell Make an account and just add a load of MMA fighters in the captions. Never know who could end up playing. It has the charm it really does. Just my 2 pence.

I've got admin rights but don't own it. Been trying to get ahold of the owners to get green light to take the next steps to grow it, which would be a framework update for security and visibility prior to promotion. . In the meantime, right now money spent is going to an account i own for server bill and future updates, hoping owners get back with me and we can see this thing really grow.

Cool, thanks for trying to maintain it for us. Can imagine it being a task given the owners are no where to be found.

What happened to Chief? He last owned it from my knowledge.

Sold it to current owners a couple of years ago. They bought mmarmy to build a new game from the codebase, but new game on hold for now, which leaves mmarmy in limbo for a bit.

I think Vulcan might've given up. The beta got torpedoed a while back and the x page hasn't been updated in years.

Beta still up but dev on hold. Been trying to get ahold of them on next steps and to get access to do some stuff for mmarmy

Wow, thanks for everything you do Blim.

Whats a shame is MMAs growth would have SO many people interested in a casual game like this.

On top of it, plenty of people (me included) would be willing to chip in financially. What a shame that the new owners are MIA.

Got a response from the head communication guy with the comapny that owns mmarmy today. Hes going to followup with the ceo on the plans and get back to me. But good news anyway, communication lines are reestablished a bit!

That's good. Hopefully they give the game back.

ahhhhhh you on discord?

Yeah I just don't post.